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Kevin E Martin's avatar

This is an excellent and insightful article. I agree especially with the humiliation issue and the predictable angry pushback. As a More classical Prayer Book Catholic Episcopalian, I faced much of this. On one occasion, I was told by a younger cleric, “look Dean, if you don’t like these changes, just leave. “ and I’m a social moderate.

I think the really hot button in 2024 Was DEI and the way it was being implemented. On universities, the DEI officer often humiliated professors for pushing back on some issues.

While the woke word was over used, but the proponents often operated with a disdainfulness toward opponents who would resist any of their assumptions.

Even today DEI generates much anger. I notice that even the DSA Democrats don’t mention it.

Thanks for your article.

Frederick Schmidt's avatar

Loren, I appreciate the effort to get to the bottom of the alienation that has torn both the church and the nation apart. And I hesitate to note this, because I am reasonably sure that you were trying to transcend the behavior that you critique here.

But ultimately you speak from one side of the debate and you describe "traditionalists" who - though benighted - should have been managed with better messaging.

Consider this:

Your article sides with "leaders" (meaning progressives) who need to take responsibility for how they lead. They are the "elites." tThey live on the coasts, and they are urbanites. This, along with superior insight into the issues roiling the church and nation requires that they bring all those other people along, in a more genteel fashion (all the while making what is, of course, the right decision).

On the other hand, traditionalists are people "who are responsible for how they respond," but haven't responded well because they have been humiliated. They live in "the hinterlands;" and they are the ones with "dark passions," the "aggrieved," the fearful, who are "ripe for the picking."

While you briefly acknowledge that traditionalists have a different world view, you don't acknowledge that they have cogent reasons for their views. You don't note that many of them drew more subtle distinctions, which allowed for blessing same sex marriages and marriage rites, without jettisoning the traditional view of marriage. Nor do you acknowledge that maybe - just maybe - Progressives have their own "dark passions" that prompted AOC to acknowledge that Woke 1 was crazy.

I minister to and with people on both sides of this divide. But I don't think that the path to genuine conversation (in the deeper sense of that word) begins with the thesis that those who are right and elite should have managed "those" people with their "dark passions" a bit more effectively.

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